Ultimate Card Maker Tournament 2010

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I hate to be 'that guy', but rlly, some of it doesn't make sense >.<

It all totally does.

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for Venkelos's judging, what's up with the point reduction for a large flavor text? It's not like anyone said there's a limit to flavor text Wink

There isn't but if it makes the card look terrible, Im going to take off points for it. When its as eye catching as this one was, its going to be a lot of points.

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How is the jutsu scroll choppy? I mean, I used the Ultra Template...

You are responsible for the template you use. If other people got away with it, its because their pictures probably hid the flaws.

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for the EFFECT TEXT category, what do you mean by "I think you could have been more concise"?

Too many effects in there. Its not realistic, you should have either removed some or simplified it. I'd have taken out the ten ten effect.

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One more thing, in VSA's Jutsu, "printed " is supposed to be capitalized, and "printed Entrance cost of 4 or more" is supposed to be in quotations. Do explain how he still gets 5/5 in SPELLING & GRAMMAR

False. The quotations stopped being used in TP1.

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These are important things

You'd think so. But not really.

Thayli wrote:

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for the EFFECT TEXT category, what do you mean by "I think you could have been more concise"?

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Too many effects in there. Its not realistic, you should have either removed some or simplified it. I'd have taken out the ten ten effect.

what do you mean too many effects? Taking off the Tenten part would make the jutsu worthless any ways, since 2-part jutsus need to be powerful enough to warrant use (mainly because of that [Weapon Cache] Tenten). So you get points taken away for effects being longer now?

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One more thing, in VSA's Jutsu, "printed " is supposed to be capitalized, and "printed Entrance cost of 4 or more" is supposed to be in quotations. Do explain how he still gets 5/5 in SPELLING & GRAMMAR

False. The quotations stopped being used in TP1.

okay, it may not be quoted anymore, but 'printed' still needs to be capitalized.

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These are important things

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You'd think so. But not really.

so its not important to make sure there isn't any biasm going on? Maybe you're seeing things I don't, but otherwise you seem biased.
Some of your one-sentence explanations are just too generic, and can easily be used by a biased judge.
But hell, maybe I might as well save myself a lot of trouble and give VSA the win (I HAVE NOT GIVEN VSA THE WIN YET).

Susano'o, about the Ultra Templates...

The templates were made in Photoshop, for Photoshop. They open okay in GIMP, but when you open Photoshop files in GIMP, some things just don't transfer correctly. When you opened the template in GIMP, the drop shadow was lost, and the scroll doesn't really have any antialiasing, making it look "choppy".

Susano'o the Storm God wrote:

Thayli wrote:

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How is the jutsu scroll choppy? I mean, I used the Ultra Template...

You are responsible for the template you use. If other people got away with it, its because their pictures probably hid the flaws.

So where is this choppiness? There needs to be more of an explanation. Any body could say "the jutsu scroll looks choppy". I compared it to the other jutsus, and the jutsu scroll looks the same, except for the lack of drop shadow, but other than that, it looks the same, unless if you see something I don't. If so, do tell, cause as I said, anyone could easily say, "the jutsu scroll looks choppy".

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for the EFFECT TEXT category, what do you mean by "I think you could have been more concise"?

Too many effects in there. Its not realistic, you should have either removed some or simplified it. I'd have taken out the ten ten effect.

what do you mean too many effects? Taking off the Tenten part would make the jutsu worthless any ways, since 2-part jutsus need to be powerful enough to warrant use (mainly because of that [Weapon Cache] Tenten). So you get points taken away for effects being longer now?

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One more thing, in VSA's Jutsu, "printed " is supposed to be capitalized, and "printed Entrance cost of 4 or more" is supposed to be in quotations. Do explain how he still gets 5/5 in SPELLING & GRAMMAR

False. The quotations stopped being used in TP1.[/quote]

okay, it may not be quoted anymore, but 'printed' still needs to be capitalized.

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These are important things

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You'd think so. But not really.

so its not important to make sure there isn't any biasm going on? Maybe you're seeing things I don't, but otherwise you seem biased.
Some of your one-sentence explanations are just too generic, and can easily be used by a biased judge.
But hell, maybe I might as well save myself a lot of trouble and give VSA the win (I HAVE NOT GIVEN VSA THE WIN YET).[/quote]


This is why I can't stand card makers, y'all are such whiny scrubs who start crying at the first sign of criticism. yous a *****

Lovely Ino wrote:

Susano'o, about the Ultra Templates...

The templates were made in Photoshop, for Photoshop. They open okay in GIMP, but when you open Photoshop files in GIMP, some things just don't transfer correctly. When you opened the template in GIMP, the drop shadow was lost, and the scroll doesn't really have any antialiasing, making it look "choppy".

wtf? rlly? That's rlly annoying... -_-
That's rlly odd though, cause I can't seem to see anything when I compare the jutsu I did to a coupl of the others in the jutsu scroll. N4E already told me that the font got screwed up by GIMP though, plus in comparison I could tell its screwed up.
okay, my apologies on the 'choppy' part then thayli.
but 'printed' STILL needs to be capitalized, so that is still something to look at.

Susano'o the Storm God wrote:

So where is this choppiness? There needs to be more of an explanation. Any body could say "the jutsu scroll looks choppy". I compared it to the other jutsus, and the jutsu scroll looks the same, except for the lack of drop shadow, but other than that, it looks the same, unless if you see something I don't. If so, do tell, cause as I said, anyone could easily say, "the jutsu scroll looks choppy".

The rendering job on the jutsu is flawed. I was pretty damn clear. You didn't make the template so you probably wouldn't notice these things. Thats the problem when kids with no photoshop skill get handed a template.

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what do you mean too many effects? Taking off the Tenten part would make the jutsu worthless any ways, since 2-part jutsus need to be powerful enough to warrant use (mainly because of that [Weapon Cache] Tenten). So you get points taken away for effects being longer now?

You get points taken off if its unnecessarily complicated. The card is terribly unrealistic.

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so its not important to make sure there isn't any biasm going on? Maybe you're seeing things I don't, but otherwise you seem biased.
Some of your one-sentence explanations are just too generic, and can easily be used by a biased judge.
But hell, maybe I might as well save myself a lot of trouble and give VSA the win (I HAVE NOT GIVEN VSA THE WIN YET).

Basically here is what Im reading here is "Blah Blah Blah Im a ***** who complains like crazy whenever Im going to lose." Instead of whining go actually get better at photoshop and effect design.

Thayli wrote:

Basically here is what Im reading here is "Blah Blah Blah Im a Bitch who complains like crazy whenever Im going to lose." Instead of whining go actually get better at photoshop and effect design.

and YET you dodged what I said about 'printed' needing to be capitalized. You seem to refuse to acknowledge the fact that 'printed' needs to be capitalized.
oh yeah, and '12 ninja guardians' in the combination part needs to be in quotes too, because its a characteristic. I was wrong on the jutsu scroll thing, but you apparently missed the text mistakes VSA made.

Thayli wrote:

venkelos
ARTWORK 3/5
-Fairly blurry

CARD LAYOUT 4/5
-Background could be sharper

TEXT LAYOUT 2/5
-Points lost for the wall of flavor text.

SPELLING & GRAMMAR 4/5
-Wording on the first effect could be better
EFFECT TEXT 3/5
-Points were lost because neither effect is very interesting nor are they useful. The card is balanced but wouldn’t see play.

16/25

I sort of thought, based on many of the most recent previews, that high Power Ninjas were the in thing. Getting cheaper jutsus, or a nice power spike could be useful, but oh well. I can blame much of the rest on Photo Draw, I suppose, and that armor shield of flavor text.

heh, from the looks of it, you're just dodging the fact that you 'missed' a couple of VSA's grammar mistakes. How cute...
Let us know when you're gonna fix the judging, due to the fact that you missed a couple text errors.
other than that though, the judging seems fine I guess.
So all I ask is that you fix the judging due to the grammar mistakes, as for the other thing, well I guess its judge's opinion

My 2 cents on the most recent judging. As it has come to my concern, one member has found the judging to be bias. I however do not agree I feel that some things were over looked on VSA's cards. But I can also understand that it is hard to remember the proper capitalized words or when quotation marks are needed. If you look the judging was close but from what was pointed out I do not feel VSA's score will be under that of Susano'o the Storm God's. The truth of the matter is that I feel Susano'o the Storm God you may have gotten a little paranoid in the fact that it did take time and that the judges do know/are friends with VSA. I do think that Thayli should go back and edit his judging of VSA's card. Also Thayli, please try not to have yourself or your brother bash the contestants thats not cool its rude and I feel it is unneeded.

Thanks to those who cooperate enjoy the new year!

-N4E

PS: Thayli did you vector those images yourself or did you take them from somewhere?

naruto4ever wrote:

My 2 cents on the most recent judging. As it has come to my concern, one member has found the judging to be bias. I however do not agree I feel that some things were over looked on VSA's cards. But I can also understand that it is hard to remember the proper capitalized words or when quotation marks are needed. If you look the judging was close but from what was pointed out I do not feel VSA's score will be under that of Susano'o the Storm God's. The truth of the matter is that I feel Susano'o the Storm God you may have gotten a little paranoid in the fact that it did take time and that the judges do know/are friends with VSA. I do think that Thayli should go back and edit his judging of VSA's card. Also Thayli, please try not to have yourself or your brother bash the contestants thats not cool its rude and I feel it is unneeded.

Thanks to those who cooperate enjoy the new year!

-N4E

PS: Thayli did you vector those images yourself or did you take them from somewhere?

nah, I'm cool with the bashing. I actually kinda expected it, due to the fact that this IS the round I'm in, thus putting off the wrong impression. Like I said in the post above, I merely ask that the fact that there were a few errors be taken into account. Other than that, the judging should be fair enough. Although Thayli is correct, in that the most recent jutsu card with 'printed' does not have quotes anymore (Lightning Blade: Single Slash), but 'printed' is still capitalized. For Combination, characteristics are in quotes, but Combat Attributes are not in quotes.

To be fair, I have re-ruled the entire match taking into account all new info.

The Law
ARTWORK 4/5
-1 A tad grainy

CARD LAYOUT 4/5
-1 This card is not http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s2/j075.jpg


TEXT LAYOUT 5/5


SPELLING & GRAMMAR 4/5
-1 For capitalization issues

EFFECT TEXT 3/5
-2 An interesting effect, but points were lost because its pretty overpowered in todays format. Crossboarding two ninjas wont fly even if its only injuring on the attack.

20/25

Susano'o the Storm God
ARTWORK 4/5
-1 Artwork is Grainy. You should be using higher res screenshots.

CARD LAYOUT 2/5
-1 Justsu scroll is choppy
-1 Lack of Drop Shadow on the jutsu scroll (thanks to lovely Ino for pointing this one out)
-1 This card is not http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s2/j075.jpg

TEXT LAYOUT 1/5
-1 Effect font is incorrect.
-2 Effect text is crammed too tightly into the box.
-1 Improper Spacing between the word effect and the rest of the effect. Should also be slightly larger and bolder.


SPELLING & GRAMMAR 5/5


EFFECT TEXT 3/5
-2 An interesting effect but theres really too much there. I think you could have been more concise. Also, its not strong enough to warrant running a bad card (Only one Kunai in the format and its pretty weak) so I do not think this card would see play.



15/25

@n4e my sig and avy? Those are just renders.

@ Thayli thanks for the fix ^_^

As to the vectors I was talking about the 3 images you posted earlier today "You just mad...cuz we stylin'...on you!"

naruto4ever wrote:

@ Thayli thanks for the fix ^_^

As to the vectors I was talking about the 3 images you posted earlier today "You just mad...cuz we stylin'...on you!"

Ah, nope those are screen caps. You can even see the network watermark in the corner of one.

Thayli wrote:

naruto4ever wrote:

@ Thayli thanks for the fix ^_^

As to the vectors I was talking about the 3 images you posted earlier today "You just mad...cuz we stylin'...on you!"

Ah, nope those are screen caps. You can even see the network watermark in the corner of one.

Darn, they were beautifully done. Gotta say I was jealous.

Also Susano'o the Storm God please dont take another 2 pages explaining your case you kind of brought you new score upon yourself. I dont want to seem like an *** but its true.

Thayli wrote:

CARD LAYOUT 4/5
-1 This card is not http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s2/j075.jpg



CARD LAYOUT 2/5
-1 Justsu scroll is choppy
-1 Lack of Drop Shadow on the jutsu scroll (thanks to lovely Ino for pointing this one out)
-1 This card is not http://www.bandaicg.com/naruto/images/cards_s2/j075.jpg

quick question. What does the bolded/underlined parts mean?

and to your response N4E, I feel the judging looks better this way anyways.
but Thayli, I also stated that '12 Ninja Guardians' in the combination part needs to be in quotes. >.<
I coulda swore I said in a recent post that in combination, characteristics are put in quotes...
Other than that, the judging is fair.

naruto4ever wrote:

Thayli wrote:

naruto4ever wrote:

@ Thayli thanks for the fix ^_^

As to the vectors I was talking about the 3 images you posted earlier today "You just mad...cuz we stylin'...on you!"

Ah, nope those are screen caps. You can even see the network watermark in the corner of one.

Darn, they were beautifully done. Gotta say I was jealous.

Also Susano'o the Storm God please dont take another 2 pages explaining your case you kind of brought you new score upon yourself. I dont want to seem like an *** but its true.

Im nowhere near that good. My vectors tend to go overboard on line thickness, you'd notice it pretty quick.



The lines are a bit too harsh I think with girls.

Thayli wrote:

naruto4ever wrote:

Thayli wrote:

naruto4ever wrote:

@ Thayli thanks for the fix ^_^

As to the vectors I was talking about the 3 images you posted earlier today "You just mad...cuz we stylin'...on you!"

Ah, nope those are screen caps. You can even see the network watermark in the corner of one.

Darn, they were beautifully done. Gotta say I was jealous.

Also Susano'o the Storm God please dont take another 2 pages explaining your case you kind of brought you new score upon yourself. I dont want to seem like an *** but its true.

Im nowhere near that good. My vectors tend to go overboard on line thickness, you'd notice it pretty quick.



The lines are a bit too harsh I think with girls.

That looks awesome! Some many color tones >.< I can see what you were talking to me about in the past. Yugioh is much harder.

Thayli wrote:

Yay DMG!!!

What? Where did everybody go? I shut my eyes for a moment, and the place turns into a ghost town...

This tournament is NOT DEAD.

I've recruited another Judge. You know him by the name of hahonryuu on the Bandai Boards. I'm still looking for one more and I should find one soon.

I'm going to be using Thayli's judging results for the rounds to progress Round 4 and enter Round 5. I'll be doing this tomorrow. Objections to this have a window from now until then. It's not over guys.

So did things just get to busy in Tsu Kiyo Me's life for them to not be able to judge anymore? I ask, cuz I was last aware that we only needed 1 replacement judge not 2 that's all.

Ninja Pebble wrote:

So did things just get to busy in Tsu Kiyo Me's life for them to not be able to judge anymore? I ask, cuz I was last aware that we only needed 1 replacement judge not 2 that's all.

He's extremely busy so he's not judging atm. He might/probably will next round. If not, I have substitutes. Round info will be up soon.